Posts by cha ching

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This is my first post

by Make Lemonade in

i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

there are resources here that are deep.

like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

cha ching

Yum, yum, yum, those chops were gooood!

My hubby has turned out to be a pretty good cook :-)

Our experience, with this "case", has been so revealing...We like to say "that's how the Watchtower dog hunts."... and it does.

In this congregation, things have gotten very "legal" in the way things are spoken about and done. One poor sister, about to commit suicide, was not given any help, because of the legal stance of her involvement in the 'case'. What choice did she have? Call the elders? no... Her husband? no.... MY husband? yes.... He was the only one willing to help. He wasn't worried about "how will this effect the case?" Really, after all of the wolves/lawyers circled, and we were not attending meetings, people still came to us.... they liked us, they valued us, we helped them.

When the case was 'dismissed,' three uber elders (as my husband says) ( I would say 'bethel loving') were moved in from around the area to take over, they played their games: "We love you, come back, we want to help you" & when their token visits had been done, and then their true motives were revealed... the announcements were made, "so and so are no longer JW's."

I wasn't df'd, but my mom won't give me her cell phone number, etc.... My sister and brother in law went to my son, after taking the sides of the lawyers and elders, and tried to "rescue" him & his wife... from "us."... Behind our back. Yay! my son is smarter than that!

My daughter-in-law wasn't df'd but all those cheery, friendly, help taking JW friends at work treat her like a leper. Her bosses noticed, and made a comment... They don't like it, so I am sure she feels a bit more secure.. after all, they USE to see the "world wide love of JW's" before my husband and son took a stand for the victim of abuse.

All because you "do the Christian thing."

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Main reason JWs are JWs

by Batman89 in

what is the(or what was your) main motivation for serving god as a jw(or any christian)?.

a) love for god and genuinely trying to learn more about him and bible truths?.

b) to escape punishment/death at armegddon?.

cha ching

Me? I liked justice.... I did not like the 'evil' that men did to each other, I saw no way of escaping it, I wanted things to be 'set straight,' and only God could do that.

My mom 'studied' when I was 4, and she didn't want her children to 'grow old.'

I love people, and the idea that there was no 'prejudice' among JW's, that I could go anywhere in the world and be invited in by a JW seemed to fit the "you will know you are my disciples by the love among themselves." Anything that didn't 'fit', that I observed, God could work out in 'the new order.'

I also liked the idea that people who died in the past, people who were poor, had no help, were victims of war, orphans, etc. could be resurrected to have a better life.

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Could you get disfellowshipped for simply asking questions?

by LogCon in

if so, what would be some examples?.

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only questions that show a higher degree of thought and intelligence please..

cha ching

Exactly Splash! "Brazen or corrupting" are the key words... They can be used to accomplish anything, any 'removing,' any 'marking,' any 'df-ing,' any anything....

I know someone who pointed out the unethical actions of a few elders, the GB, the legal dept, and was accused and df'd for "speaking abusively of the glorious ones." Hasta la vista baby!

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Anyone recall a time when your congregation came to the aid of a Brother or sister in need??

by jam in

i'm not talking about a individual, but a congregation as a whole.. i'm talking about a brother or sister that really hit hard times.. have there ever been an occasion where the brothers (elders).

decided to dip into the kh funds and help one in need????.

example, brother loose his job, get evicted, family of four or.

cha ching

So sorry, VillageGirl.... In our area, it also was the "older sisters" that organized any help, and any money that was given to people was done by individuals.

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What is the key to free yourself from the Organization?

by suavojr in

they key to free yourself from the organization is having mental clarity of what is happening in relation to the watchtower, inside and out.

their basic concept is that they are god's sole organization on earth.

there really is no basis for anyone to make that statement.

cha ching

It seems to me, that people who "love the truth" can no longer STAND to keep supporting a lie when they find out the TTAT.

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My friends have made a stand on shunning.

by quellycatface in

cha ching

Go Quelly!

Every piece of sand removed from the damn, shall one day help the waters flow!

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Has Anyone Heard Whether The New JW Bible Is Liked As Much As The Old One?

by minimus in

jw
friends

my mom told me that she, my brother and his wife really didn't like this new bible.. when i asked her why, she said they dropped the headings on the top of the pages and that just wasn't as good.. have you heard any pros and cons about the new good book?.

cha ching

My sister, an artist... and never baptized, but raised a witness, now a non-believer, says it is 'depressing.'

When I asked why, she said that the color is depressing, and the feel of the skin of the bible reminds her of human skin, and of when the Nazi's use to use human skin for lamp shades, etc.......

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Jehovah's Witness Tragedy - a series of installments.

by Julia Orwell in

i'm working on a short story/novella about a jw family.

it's called the opal ring.

i will be posting it in installments, and would like some feedback on it.

cha ching

I have enjoyed this story also, Julia! (& just now found it! YAY!)

What is so interesting to me, is to see that all of us can relate to it... It is the same old story, over and over again... now exposed. You are in Austrailia? Lois is on the West Coast, Kate is in England? We all relate, we have all had it happen, seen it, all over the world, it is not an 'isolated' view, as so many would like to say.

Every sentence is like living thru it again.... When I personally asked, "Why did Jehovah "lead the slave" to say "Sodom and Gomorrah won't be resurrected," then "They will be", then "They won't"..... and made the comment, "Is that the light getting brighter, or the light going off and on, off and on?"

Let alone the 607 WT, when my husband and I figured out that all the Society's calculations were inventions and delusions of men, what was asked of me?!!??? the same thing asked in your novel: "What have you been reading?!?" me: "The WT & AW" that's it, WT & AW, and that , 'my dear friends' (haha) is enough to prove them wrong........

Love your story! It has epitomized the reality of life inside the borg. Very interesting. I love to write, and w/also like to write a story. Just try to explain what it is like to an 'outsider,' it is hard to sum it all up in such a short space, good job!!

I will be patiently looking forward to the next chapter.

thx, cha ching!

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What would this world be like today , if their was never , ever , any concept of a GOD or a Creator .?

by smiddy in

given the fact that religion has been such a divisive force throughout history amongst all nations and tribes of the earth , i wonder how things might have been different had their been no god / creator / religion in the mix.. of course religion alone has not been the cause of all mankinds troubles & conflicts with each other , nationalism , polotics , racism , to name a few are also guilty of these problems.. but it seems to me that religion , beleif in a creator / god and its consequences of such a beleif are the cheif causes of mankinds troubles.. remember this is your thoughts if a creator , god , religion didnt exist in human conscience .. what are your thoughts ?.

smiddy.

cha ching

Dear Smid,

I was wondering the same thing myself, just the other day....

'Religion,' has been used as a means to control people.... to 'make one person more special than another.' Want to have a reason to get rid of your 'enemies'? etc....

I believe, that if all people were just curious, and like children, good hearted, wanting to learn, the world would have been a lot more gregarious, scientifically advanced.....

If there were no 'god', perhaps there would be other things.... like 'bosses,' 'kings,' 'heads of tribes,' 'generals of armies,' 'CEO's,' 'klans of families,' that would still demand loyalty, obedience. Perhaps men make themselves like gods, perhaps it would be the same?

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My Child Has Asked Me to Divorce Husband

by HeyThere in

i guess i am just venting.

its a mess.

i just dont even know where to start with this crap.

cha ching

Dear HeyThere,

So sorry for all of your turmoil... Wish I c/give you a hug... That kind of arguing can just tire you out.

I was reading what DOC said, about JW's who are inactive, leave, mess around and then feel guilty, come back and try to make atonement by becoming an active, repentant, meeting attending, service going, good appearing JW.

That really is not fair to the person who married them. Did he tell you that one day he might return, would expect you to study, become a JW, then treat you ill if you did not?

What would happen if you 'took a break', and went to live with relatives for a while, letting your head and body heal?.... give yourself a chance to think and breathe?